From rah@bash.sh Wed Jan 24 10:21:24 2007 Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] an relevant link about Vista From: Bob Ham To: Wayne Myers Cc: Marc-Olivier Barre In-Reply-To: <20070123234401.1f02da9f@localhost.localdomain> References: <45AB8DB1.1050307@woh.rr.com> <20070115223056.123ebe08@localhost> <20070116031322.0c33c628@localhost.localdomain> <1169582504.2232.27.camel@orchid.arb.net> <20070123234401.1f02da9f@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Byl3PZC9WhgrpPhx7vYI" Message-Id: <1169634084.2232.96.camel@orchid.arb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.2.1 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:21:24 +0000 X-Evolution-Format: text/plain X-Evolution-Account: 1145234978.20844.16@orchid X-Evolution-Transport: smtp://rah@smtp/;use_ssl=never X-Evolution-Fcc: imap://rah@teasel/INBOX/sent X-Evolution-Source: imap://rah@teasel/ --=-Byl3PZC9WhgrpPhx7vYI Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2007-01-23 at 23:44 +0000, Wayne Myers wrote: > The fact that no such political discussion took place and as a result of > my post I was asked to become a moderator of the list proves that I > am right and you are wrong. You do not know whether there would have been any political discussion on the list if you hadn't posted your opinion. This means that what you describe as "proof" is not. Also, the fact that you were "asked to become a moderator of the list" would seem to be more due to the fact that you expressed any opinion at all on how the list should operate, rather than the impact of your expression. This seems more true given that the offer was made only seven hours after your post; a very short amount of time in email terms, and certainly no time to assess the impact. Having been a member of the list for some time, I can say that the chances of a political discussion taking place on any subject are slim to none. Most members understand that it is not the place for political discussion and would have simply ignored Dominique's statements, irrespective of whether they agree with them. In effect, you are claiming your post had an impact on a non-existent potential for discussion. This is nonsense. > > I also think it strange that you would display this behaviour over the > > assertion that Israel is an apartheid state. What concerns me is that > > you are a Zionist, using the LAD list to stifle criticism of Israel.=20 > Is > > this correct? What, precisely, is your opinion on whether Israel is > an > > apartheid state? >=20 > Using the LAD list to stifle criticism of Israel? >=20 > I don't think you understand what is going on here, do you. No, I didn't understand, which is why I asked. > I have no idea who you are Google for "bob ham linux audio" and you will see who I am. > and I am not even remotely interested in > entering into a pointless political discussion with you. You do not know > what my views on Israel are=20 Again, you're right that I don't know what your opinions are; this is why I asked what they were. > and I am not going to tell you. This, in itself, is very telling. (And very childish, as well.) > However, if you are 'concerned' that I am a Zionist, then you, sir, are > a racist The concern at issue is not that you are a Zionist, but that you are using the LAD list to further Zionism. You are welcome to whatever views you wish; what concerns me is that is you use the LAD list to further them (while admonishing someone else for doing the same.) Also, to say that I am racist because I express anti-Zionist views is completely irrational. Proposing that a race should not be treated specially is not proposing it should be treated badly. Anti-Zionism is the former; racism is the latter. I can only conclude from your assertion that either you are ignorant of what Anti-Zionism is, or you know what it is and consciously use the term "racist" incorrectly. I won't ask you to clarify this because you'll probably just say "I'm not going to tell you. Nee ner nee ner." I would simply note that the irrational labelling you are so quick to run to seems, to me, identical to the irrational labelling that racists themselves are quick to run to. > and are as ignorant with regard to the meaning of the term > 'Zionist' as you are with regard to the meaning of the term 'apartheid'. As you yourself noted, you don't know who I am. You overstep yourself. > I will repeat, whatever my views on the state of Israel, that to call it > an 'apartheid' state is a factual inaccuracy, an insult to the actual > victims of apartheid Ye, let us quote from the book of The Guardian, February 2006: 'Desmond Tutu, the former archbishop of Cape Town and chairman of South Africa's truth and reconciliation commission, visited the occupied territories three years ago and described what he found as "much like what happened to us black people in South Africa". As far back as 1961, Hendrik Verwoerd, the South African prime minister and architect of the "grand apartheid" vision of the bantustans, saw a parallel. "The Jews took Israel from the Arabs after the Arabs had lived there for a thousand years. Israel, like South Africa, is an apartheid state," he said. It is a view that horrifies and infuriates many Israelis.' http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1703245,00.html I especially note the last words, "It is a view that horrifies and infuriates many Israelis." In fact, I've seen that it is a view that horrifies and infuriates many Zionists, regardless of whether they live in Israel. Combined with the following page http://www.waz.easynet.co.uk/aby/ I think it's quite reasonable to conclude that your primary motivation does not lie in the correct usage of the LAD mailing list, but somewhere in the Middle East. > and as a matter for discussion has nothing > whatsoever to do with Linux audio development. Indeed. Kindest regards, Bob Ham President, Linux Audio Developers Against Zionism --=20 Bob Ham --=-Byl3PZC9WhgrpPhx7vYI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFtzMj7whsMRnFexQRAo6NAKCIyCfvnBhd4NbNuT1zBZNQeNzAjwCglGEK ISIvARNqp96ueAi0tRIF6eM= =oYif -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Byl3PZC9WhgrpPhx7vYI--