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14/02/2007 Hello how are you all, I’m Maria from Mexico, sending you a warm hello form my home. I note that you change the page of the web, is great. OK hi to every one bye. Maria Luisa Mexico _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 31/01/2007 Blimey where are all the koknis? Two years no one has signed in? Well let me be the first. Naeem Naguhtney Birmingham
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03/07/2005
Hey Kursheed and Samir how are you, we miss you here Kursheed but we
know samir's taking good care of you LOL! best wishes Aisha and Qasim
(Lincoln,
UK)
thanks loads , Aisha Lincoln
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23/03/2005
hola que tal como estan espero bien, reciban un saludo de una amiga muy lejana esta pagina de internet me agrada, muchas fotografias, los videos, etc. la union que tiene esta comunidad es realmente admirable. recibe muchos saludos de mi parte Samir, disculpa por escribir en español, pero tu sabes lo hago con mucho cariño hasta pronto maria Luisa, tu amiga de Mexico Hello How are you all I hope fine, Convey regards from a very distant friend, I love this web site, I like the pictures, the videos etc. the union of this community is so admirable, I like it so much. Samir pls receive such wonderful regards from me,I write this with so much affection. I hope to hear from you soon..your friend from Juarez, Mexico Maria Luisa Juarez, Mexico
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05/11/2004
As-salaamu- alaikum Walthamstow, London
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09/10/2004
hello
its Sumayyahs best mate Roxie , Very good site just thought id say
so and Hey mayyah
good luck wiv tournaments and stuff
bye
Roxie
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26/09/2004 Sallams Thank you for all the Kokni links! I wish you success, health and happiness in everything that you do insha-allah, w/s and dua Khurshid, Lincoln UK
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12/09/2004
As-salam-wa-aliakum
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21/04/2004
Great site By Great person, its very
good lots of pictures and sports
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15/04/2004
Great site masha allah!
Keep up the good work samir - hope u only ever get better insha allah :)
rawya/birmingham
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01/04/2003
sallam alaykum
i think we can all agree the web site is in top form, makes us proud
to be kokni, as well as share everyones efforts over the past years in
the events taken place.
i think its a well done not only to the web masters but to the
committee, the team players as well as the familys who choose to
support BKSC-bham!!
well done
love zaheeera shariff
Liverpool/birmingham
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31/12/2003
Hello all After many a travel have I had the opportunity to see this site. Well done lads, great work. Many thanks also to Rauf for the orgins of this site. Knowledge is the route of all journey's. Does anyone know the way to Taunton in Dorset? Bash B'ham/Sheffield/Coventry/Telford/Torquay/Poole
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18/12/2004
Hello How are you all!!! this website is great!!! regards of a friend hasta pronto, Maria from Mexico
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24/10/2003
Hi Sam & Zam, All i wanna say is this is da best site in da world, but of course our walthamstow website shall be a million times better. peace 2 u all. from Bilal & Sumayyah Hawa London
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09/10/2003
Messages for T.Tezcan we have heard a lot about you and we look forward to the day when you arrive in England. The boys of BKSC will look after you no doubt about that. There will be plenty of football for you to play here lots of nice Indian food and Karahi Kebab places to eat at and along with a great tour of great city of Birmingham and our Capital London you can expect a fine time here. But before we get all nice with we must answer your call of England about to get a hammering by Turkey. So I have managed to find some old statistics for you just to help remind you that Turkey will be in for maybe another beating. Check this
ENGLAND
v TURKEY - PAST ENCOUNTERS
So Tolga we leave with these facts and great photos. Insha Allah we will all see you one day. Oh before I forget please look after samir, or if you want keep him there just send us another webmaster, Joke! Regards Zamir Birmingham UK
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05/10/2003 Hi everybody, helllooo Birmingham , I am Tolga from Turqie. This is the second time I am writing to bksc, to my dear friend Samir's. I am a 27 year-old engineer working in Magneti Marelli Turqie. We met with Samir through work by the phone & email. In five minutes we understood that we both were soccer fans. Today even we've never seen each other except photos, some how Samir is one of the best friends for me. I would like to say a Big Congratulations on your 30 years anniversary. I am ever regularly updated on what’s happening at your club by samir, such the great ambassador that he is. I like all the photos of all your tournaments and video clips. It’s a great site and I one day would like to visit England and this great club. Ok, now down to business, Turqie & England. For the all the great England supporters I have this message for you. The reason of my message is to act as an innocent fortune-teller before the match between Turqie & England. I bought 4 tickets, each for every goal; but I can not guess the Turkish players who's gonna score. England will taste the delicious Turkish fist on face. Samir will be renamed to el Kamel el Hussein ( who is our student friend from Tunusia ) samir will be one of the fans who's going to sit with us behind the goal post. I promise he is in safe hands but I can not guarantee his return if we loose (joke). If UEFA gives any punishment to Turkish Futbol Association for english fan, Samir will have to live as Kamel el Hussein for the rest of his life. He will be our goal keeper & slave in carpet soccer areas, his first match is next week.
1. It's me T.Tezcan before we hit G.Saray 6 - 0 Fenerbahce is the most popular team in Turqie with 30 million supportes. Also you can see the old grandstand back, which they gonna pull down and construct again next year..
But he is lucky that we will have a wonderful tour in Istanbul, the paradise where two continents meet. He will be the luckiest british next week, because I will guide him to see all the mosques and palaces. I was a protocol lieutenant in Istanbul during my military service, so I know this will be an enjoying tour for Samir. Maybe we will fix him up with a Turkish girl to marry and never come back, only joking!!
2.Fenerbahce Sukru Saracoglu Stadium: Before the match Fenerbahce 6 vs G.Saray 0 (the result 6-0). And you see the grandsatand behind the goal where we will sit with Samir, at the Turqie & England match
I'd like to come to Birmingham someday. But of course that's a matter of time and possibilities. Insallah I will have chance to come and play soccer with you. If it is hayýrlý (will be good) for us maybe I will marry an English girl and the number of muslim's on earth will increase.again only joking!!!!! By the way I'd like to congratulate BKSC for the 30th Anniversary of foundation. Maybe I will have chance to become one of your members. That will be nice to meet good guys like you, or should I say jemaat. Until then may Allah bless you all. I Pray that I get the chance to visit England, Bksc & Of course Aston Villa Insallah. Samir, we are keeping your seat warm for you, we are all waiting for you here! Sallam & take care bksc Tolga Tezcan Turqie- Istanbul/Bursa
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05/10/2003
Big up guys well done
love the website with fresh new young look to it,,
Just felt we had to
sign it as there is no other member of the Wangde family in the
guest book
Well done we're not
IT buffs so we'd appreciate maybe a chat room as well to get some
kokni discussion going.
Big up from HOUNSLOW
Farzana, Amani and
Manal Wangde
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13/09/2003
Congratulations, Congratulations, Congratulations........
Happy 30th Anniversary
to BKSC.
Your achievements over
the last 30 years are much admired and an inspiration for other clubs
to follow. Wishing you every success for the future.
Have a great day
tomorrow.
Kind Regards
Bilquis Parkar
Head of Sports
For and behalf of the Management Committee of KCL (Kokni Community Luton)
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23/08/2003
Assalamu alaikum Ibrahim B Parkar Luton
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01/08/2003
Well done Samir and Zamir for
the BKSC Website, good stuff guys!! For anyone who's wondering, I'm
one of Shakil Naguthney's mates from Manchester during his dodgy years
there... just attended his wedding on Sat /Sun
26/27 th July - Mashallah
everyone was looking sharp!! Special greets have to go out to Sajjad,
Naeem, Zamir, Hafiz
and Samir for all their absolutely superb hospitality!! Nice
one guys, we had such a laugh the night before the wedding man!! And
hey u guys just keep ur dodgy ideas to yourselves!!!!
Hope to see all you guys soon Inshallah!
Usman Daud
Manchester
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21/06/2003
Great to see some clips of our tem playing your boys - one complaint though. We did take some points off your team, any chance of seeing those clips??????? Great web-site and another great tournament you hosted. Thanks a lot. Naeem Malik Thornaby Volleyball Club
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20/06/2003
Assalamualaikum Congratulations on your BKSC’s 30th Anniversary. Inshallah we will be there. Salaams. Jamal h dalvi
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18/06/2003
salaam Salim Khatib Catonsville, MD U.S.A
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16/06/2003
Dear BKSC, A few weeks back I visited your website and it inspired me a lot. It's a well organized website and it made me work more on my website. Of course your site is still miles ahead but we'll try to come up with a more professional website than what we have now at www.kokaniz.com Do visit us and lets join hands in bringing all kokni brothers and sisters under one roof. Join our mailing list to keep in touch and work towards unity and betterment of our unfortunate kokani families. Hope to have a positive reply. Allah Hafiz, Faisal Tungekar Riyadh / Karachi Pakistan
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17/04/2003
Dear Samir & Zamir Have spent a bit of time on our web-site, after some months, and must say that I am very impressed with all the hard work done and may it long continue. The photos are brilliant and am sure we will all be proud to promote this to everyone. To all readers, please let us have you suggestion to our provisional planned 30th Sport Day on 13.09.03. Many Thanks BKSC President Ishphak Parkar Birmingham
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16/04/2003
I would like to give a big shout to samir, zamir zareef and fiaz for looking after me in Saudi Arabia I just wanna say respect and thank u you guyz r stars. And I also wanna say that this site is d original bomb and no one can beat this site. so I just wanna say respect to samir and zamir. P.S Any one Interested In doing the Fast And Furious course with me, let me know! J.lo Jahlil Perry Barr Birmingham and all over the world
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08/04/2003
What’s happening,
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03/04/2003
Hi
great website!
I finally got time in my busy life to sign! keep up the good work.
I cant get a pic on because I’m at uni but I'm sure Sam has got a decent one of me! anyway got to go now!
Sajid Blackburn / Leicester
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26/03/2003
Salaams to all, just wanted to put in a quick note and say to all those involved in creating the web site well done, it is truly fabulous, hope you had as much fun making it as I have had searching it! lots and lots and lots and lots of love
Nucy
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14/03/2003
Salaams My good friend zamir told me to check this site out, I must say the webmasters have done a brilliant job, keep the good work up Umer Khan Sutton Coldfield, Bham
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14/03/2003As I am a REAL Essex girl, I haven't looked at the website
thoroughly but will soon! However I have signed the guestbook
for Samir (how can anyone refuse such a sweetie).
I see that they want photos, well anyone who knows me,
will know I hate my photo being taken.
So you'll have to guess what I look like or ask the Webmaster!
This is a wonderful website for people who like
sport and are from Birmingham. Good luck with all your sports
and the website
Gail
Essex
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13/03/2003Salaams, Just an immense acknowledgment to samir and zameer for all the effort and time invested in developing a brilliant website. I know it was pain-staking work. The endeavor has been evident in the outcome of the website. Both deserve a big pat on the back and big juicy PUPPEEEZ!!!!! xxxx from each and everyone of us. Lov Shak Birmingham
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14/02/2003
Dearest Jalil Wil u b my Valentine ????? honey Trap XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX try_mebabe2003@yahoo.co.uk Jhalil Khalfey
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14/02/2003 To Our Sweethearts Hannan & Mannan Happy Valentines day! You two twins are the apples of our eyes. You bring happiness to our hearts. Keep making us smile. Secret Admirers xxx Hannan & Mahnan
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06/11/2002 Bksc would like to give a big mention to Adnan Sarwar Of Stockton Middlesborough. A regular lad at Volleyball tournaments and a big follower of BKSC! Maximum Overloaded Respect...!!!!
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11/10/2002 Wonderful and fully exaustive website! Loved it although I don't like football... but THIS is something! I knew it would have been nice because of knowing Samir and become good friend to him through work.
Carry on you guys and cheer us up! Torino - Italy
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10/10/2002 As-salam-wa-aliakum This is the first time i've actually ever seen the site..and gotta say..so far its been kewl. Amazing stuff...keep it real out der. Azhar Dubai/ Birmingham/ London Azhar Hawa
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10/10/2002Hello, my name is Dereck Campbell from Automotive Lighting UK Ltd Cannock. It is at the request of Samir Gaibee that I visit your site and sign you guestbook. As he is the Head Webmaster I felt that I should oblige him. This plus the fact that he would have continued to Hassle the pants off me if I didn't. On a serious note though the site is well laid out and very informative. Regards Dereck Campbell Cannock Uk |
10/10/2002 This website is top class! Fanbleedin-tasic stuff lads. Keep it up! Oh yeah can't wait for the video clips though. Shauib Molvi The X-Ecutioner Birmingham
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9/10/2002hi salam alikum i'm kadir gulam ahmed dalvi. i'm a kokani working in abudhai uae in investment company. i found kokanilink.com and i found ur new ideas i'm really happy to see our community on net kadir dalvi UAE Abudhai
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2/10/2002
Congratulations on keeping up the kokni culture and name. An excellent
web-page. Keep up the good work.
Abduraouf Halday Cape Town, South Africa
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18/09/2000 Sallams Big up to the BKSC Website. Shiru Birmingham
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18/09/2002
Asslamualaikum
Must be sed that the webpage is lookin really good and is gonna be
really promising!
All credit to the web-masters to get the site up and generating so
much interest.
The only thing left now is to make everyone WANT to keep on
returning by updating it every week!
The graphics and stuff are looking really good.
GET THE CHATROOM DONE GEEZAS
Aman , Birmingham
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9/09/2002 Salaams BKSC & all in Birmingham I HAVE VISITED YOUR WEBSITE AND I THINK IT IS MORE THAN I EXPECTED. IT IS DEFINITELY PERFECT. I WAS ASKED TO VISIT THE SITE BY SAMIR WHO I HAVE BECOME GOOD FRIENDS WITH THROUGH WORK! HE IS ALWAYS CHASING OUR COMPANY FOR MONEY WHICH WE DON'T HAVE AT THE MOMENT. ALLAH KNOWS WHEN WE WILL HAVE.
I AM AWARE THAT YOU GUYS ARE BIG ASTON VILLA FANS; OF COURSE MOST OF THE FOOTBALL FANS HERE ARE SUPPORTING A.VILLA BECAUSE OF ALPAY. HE WAS PLAYING FOR FENERBAHÇE BEFORE A.VILLA. I SUPPORT Fenerbahçe THE BIGGEST FOOTBALL TEAM IN TURKEY. WE HAVE ALMOST 30 MILLION SUPPORTERS. WE COULDN'T BE SUCCESFUL ENOUGH IN EUROPE UNTILL NOW BUT WE ARE THE FIRST IN TURKEY. OUR NATIONAL TEAM IS DOING WELL FOR LAST TEN YEARS. THIS WEEK WE BEATED SLOVAKIA 3-0 IN ISTANBUL. SO IT IS MACEDONIA NEXT AND GUESS WHOSE TURN WILL IT BE ???? OF COURSE ENGLAND's. SORRY BUT I HAVE TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE NO CHANCE. 70 MILLION TURKS ARE WAITING FOR THIS MATCH. ARIF, SERHAT, ILHAN MANSIZ, HASAN SAS, EMRE, FATIH, NIHAT AND GOAL KEEPER RUSTU ARE THE BEST ONES AT THE MOMENT. OF COURSE ALPAY IS THE MOST TRUSTED PLAYER IN OUR TEAM.
BEST OF LUCK WITH ALL YOUR SPORTs TOURNAMENTS. KEEP
TRUSTING SAMIR, HE IS A GOOD MUSLIM AND FANTASTIC SOCCER PLAYER. AND
ALSO FAMOUS IN TURKEY.
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9/09/2002 Asslamualaikum brothers, Since u did ask if any 1 can translate her message for u i just cudnt help but do it as u may already no that i am a born and bred kenyan so therefore also know kiswahili as it is my 2nd language. I shall translate her e-mail to u line by line.
mambo, vipi uko ??= How are things there?? From
the One and Only,
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4/09/2002 Well wat can I say .....no really wat can I say? WE'RE LOVIN IT LOVIN IT LOVIN IT. BlakeY Brumland
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20/08/2002 Hi birmingham how are you all? this is a brilliant website. i wish that something as good as this could be organised for us kokni's here in cape town . keep up the good work in all that you do. your club is a example to follow.
Siama
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20/08/2002 Hi there bksc this is just superb stuff! keep up the good work BKSC webmasters SHABINA xXx Lancashire
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21/08/2002 EXCELLENT!!!! WHAT ELSE CAN I SAY. HAVING BEEN IN HIBERNATION FOR SO LONG I'M GLAD THAT THE YOUNGER GENERATION HAVE TAKEN THE BULL BY THE HORNS AND MOVED ON. WELL DONE TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE PUT HOURS OF HARD WORK (VOLUNTARY WORK) AND CREATING SOMETHING FOR KOKNI'S RELATED TO THE SPORTS CLUB TO BE PROUD OF. LET'S HOPE THAT SOME OF THIS INITIATIVE AND ENTHUATHISM IS PASSED ON TO THOSE WHO COMPETE IN TOURNAMENTS FOR THE CLUB. ALL THE BEST FOR THE FORTHCOMING FUTURE. SIDDIQ HAWA BIRMINGHAM
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20/08/2002 Assalamu alaikum every one. Hope everything is cool, although the weather is hot. Since most of the invitations for the BKSC Sports Day 2002 have been given out, I would just like to say that I hope to see every one from Birmingham present as it will be a very enjoyable day for every one. Even though there isn't a drama this year it is bound to be a success, if not an even
bigger success then last year. All members that have not had a letter from the Committee, please don't be disheartened because you haven't been forgotten purposely, but it might be that the committee doesn't have your current address stored on their files. But every one is invited . It is on the 14th of September and every one
is welcome. Thanx for your time in reading this. I would also like to take this opportunity to ask every one that reads this to say a dua for all the beloved brothers and sisters that have passed away this year.
Thanx once again,
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10/07/2002 mambo, vipi uko ??
Website Nzuri Sanaaaaa...... Ahsante kwa kazi nzuri kazi njemaaaaa.
!!!!!intresting site nice to be able to keep intouch when im so far away in
east africa on holiday.
If
any1 can transulate this please email us at the guestbook)
zaheera- Dar es Sallam
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10/07/2002 hello to the BKSC crew and web mastas keep up the good work love Shareen Birmingham ps if u need a spare player 4 footy juss call me (im really good!!!) ask Zamir xx
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10/07/2002
Hello Altaf
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22/04/2002 We'd just like to say that your doing a great job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And keep up the great work!!! from the HAWA family. B'ham
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16/04/2002 Salaams, Just to say I enjoyed visiting your site. Shahid Bagdadi Young Stars Sports Club. Blackburn Regards
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07/04/2002
Assalam-Aleikum Kokni Lads, Better late
then never.So after a long wait i got to check the site of the
enthusiastic kokni lads amongst whom i spent a very short
unforgettable time in B'ham .It is really a wonderful site to cherish,
though i think it is still to be given the finishing touches. Wish you
all the Best in all the events for the coming summer and keep the
kokni flag flying. Inshallah hope to see you all again in the month of
july and be there with you in Handen. Shall be in touch with u time
and again.
Allah-Hafiz
Mukadam.Jaffer.Hussain
Saint.Peter'sburg
RUSSIA
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31/03/2002 JULDI KURR!!!!!!! MAJA BIRTHDAY BAGOO CHA HAI NET VAR!!!!!!!! H Hassle
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28/03/2002 Wazaaaaaaaaaaaaapppppp EVERY 1. Wats happenin. Holidays have begun and all mans r chillin. The website is lookin gud man, although it wud be even beta if all the rest of the pages go up- Especially the chat room. Althoug the website is very gud, i got a few complaints from a few of my Laydy frends that have been on it. They tell me that the 1 & ONLY problem with the website is that - There arent enuf pictures of ME, or a player profile of mine. And i have guaranteed them that there soon will be more pics of mine up. So come on lads, jst do me this little favor so that my reputation doesnt become like mitti (mud). Anyway keep up the gud work all the 3 of u and make sure that there is only one direction this club is heading...... For the BEST. HaHaHaHaHannan. AKA...D Main Man Hann AKA... HEN (for Henry) NAN( Basically HENNAN) Birmingham/Kenya/Ghana/Cameroon/All Trade
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27/03/2002
Firstly like to
congratulate all those people who helped to construct this site and update
it to its new format they know who they are its looking
Shakill Naguthney
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27/03/2002 Hello! This Is Anne, Bob and Ingrid!. In case you have all forgotton about us we were the ones that used to make all the noise at 179 Normandy Road? Remember now? Thought so! We are all doin fine here living in Somerset (Near Bristol!) It's really quiet but never mind! Missing Birmingham Loads and everyone there.I was just loggin in to see the flags flyin' Which me and Sam spent hours on!!! It's good to see them on the Net! Keep them flying and keep up all the hard work. See you all soon! Bob, Ingrid & Anne Someret
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27/03/2002 Very well done!! Keep it up!! Irfhan Ali Mururajani
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10/03/2002
the webby is looking really good lads..... but we are all waitin 4 de video clips and de b'days (so de beatings can b cumin in).....hope u put em up soon....
p.s. big up parkar- he
is a top lad, especially when u need cd copyin'
zareef
BIrmingham
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08/03/2002
Heavy site yeah well done!
i hope thre will b lots
more exciting stuff on there
big up to evry1 who nos
me in bham!!!!!!!!
Poonam XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
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05/03/2002 The site looks really good. Well done, a lot of hard work and effort but you got there in the end. Samira Shariff London
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05/03/2002 Sallams!!!! Just wanted to say that the site is really good!!! Well done to all the people who put it together. Cyas Asma Juwle- Birmingham
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05/03/2002 Big up to the BKSC massive i say u have done a good job of your site its nice to see that u put alot of effort into your site good job!! The layouts and the features are very attractive good work lads!! keep it up!! London!! (",)
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05/03/2002
Rauf (The originator of the bksc website and Master of the mouse) thanks for
all your help in the
Bksc Webmasters
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05/03/2002 Well congratulations on the website guys!, You've done such a great job, so, we guess theres no need to say "about time!"cuz it was well worth the wait! Looking forward to the other pages being put up (theres no rush HINT HINT!) We're sure they'll be super too! You guys havedone such a super job, Good Luck with the other pages, we hope all goes well. Tek Care Every-one! From Da Gyalz: Zaheera Sharif Fahema Hawa Trannum Balde Tabassun Walele Birmingham
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05/03/2002 Assalam Alaikum peeps - I must say the BKSC firm. Site is looking WICKED! Well done guys! - Faisal, Yaseen & Samir my web creation tips have come in handy, and there is a lot more to be discovered. Also some of my colleagues may say that due to my *zalambering efforts I was unable to complete the site myself. Oh well 'guilty without charge', anyway folks keep up the excellent work. PS I'd like to thank the editor for my detailed profile, well hilarious - nice try guys.... Saleem Roghey. *Za-lamber Pronunciation Key (zl) adj. Za-lambe-ber, Za-lamber-ring Resistant to work or exertion; disposed to idleness. Slow-moving; sluggish: a lazy river. Conducive to idleness or indolence: a lazy summer day. Depicted as reclining or lying on its side. Used of a brand on livestock. Birmingham/Reading
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02/03/2002
wicked webby parker,
samir mamoo, and yasin.
nice one guys.
p.s. keep the pictures
of me coming in... its the main feature of this website.........
zareef a.k.a. zareef
figo
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02/03/2002 Salaams to all the Kokni MASSIVE, Word up .... this message goes out to the webmasters of the crucial New BKSC site from the original webmaster of the old site as well as the sister website KMAB.co.uk. Respec to your efforts in bringing together this new site & showing the Kokni's world wide that the Birmingham Boyz & Gals are the leaders in Innovative Technology not to mention Sporting Excellence and Brotherhood. From the pioneer Webmaster to the New crew .... WITH MY BLESSING ...... Judge Dred - Rauf Roghey ;-) Birmingham/Newcastle
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02/03/2002 long time in coming at its here well done. from hidi Birmingham Hidiat Roghey
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28/02/2002 luv da new site from NAGUTHNEY Birmingham
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28/02/2002
wickd home page...wickd guestbook page...wickd under 16's page...wickd footie page...wickd volleyball page...wickd....wickd...wickd!! so wens it gona b online then...JOKE nxt time dont keep us waiting so long ina-mean like! nice one guyz! az of oz Azma Gaibee
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23/02/2002 Nice website. Its me Bilal from Dar es Salaam relative of Zaheera Shariff of Birmingham London. Keep it UP !!!!! Tanzania
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28/02/2002
You've done a great job
with the web site lads. Its looking FANTASTIC!!! we had a gr8 year and
hopefully the coming year will be even better and full of brilliant
events. A job well done to Samir Gaibee, Yasin and Faizal.
Choa Zaheera
Shariff
liverpool/B'ham
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27/02/2002
Its
taken a while but its been worth waiting for.
Regards: The Webmasters
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